Mag. Load Data &Technical Information by Caliber. Joined: Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:44 pm Posts: 1955 Location: Sandy, Utah I have a great load for the Barnes 160 TTSX and a friend of mine has used the Barnes 185 TSX factory load on a medium sized elk … As Federal's initial infomercial advises, "It gives big game hunters a larger diameter bullet for more weight and overall energy on target without magnum recoil . Load development work in the Nosler lab showed … This bullet is noted for deep penetration for any given sectional density as it typically retains nearly all of its weight after expansion. The rest inside 400+/-. I've shot elk and deer with my .338/06. It’s that easy. When I first started shooting my .338, the standard bullet weight was 250 grains. It might be a viable choice for a combination deer/elk hunt. When it becomes available it will probably be the most popular of the Federal factory loads. for elk and are looking for a quick, easy, field-proven recipe that performs at close range yet has a flat trajectory and sufficient energy for longer shots. Here are the OGW figures for the Premium .338 Federal factory loads: 180 grain Nosler AccuBond - 1102 lbs. Nosler Inc | Privacy Use Order Processing. brass is everywhere—just run the .338 Federal resizing ball through it. But even if you handload to just 2,800 fps, this is the ultimate flat-shooter for the.338. is a legitimate 500-yard elk rifle. This will make for better advertising copy, which we are already seeing: "200 feet per second more velocity than a standard .308," and "provides the energy of a 7mm Rem. I really like the heavier bullets for Elk. lbs.) I would like to see Federal offer, in addition to their Premium loads, a lower priced Power-Shok load that essentially duplicates the ballistics proposed above. That’s about 300 foot pounds more than the .30-06 shooting a 180-grain slug and 116 foot pounds more than a 7mm Rem. Here is the downrange velocity/energy (in fps and ft. If I were after bear, I would use the same load. But the true beauty of the .338 Federal is you get near .338 Win. Nosler makes two 225 grain loads for the Whelen, a NP and a AB at 2725 and 2750 respectively. The thing that most will not agree on is my pet load is a 200 gr. (It should be remembered that O'Connor proposed his .338 well before the invention of the .308 cartridge.) lbs.) Expansion stops when the bottom of the hollow point cavity is reached. Nosler ballistic tip over imr 4350 powder in my pre 64 mod 70 it shoots sub moa and kills without much loss of meat. 338 Federal 338-06 338 Winchester Magnum 338 Lapua Magnum 340 Weatherby Magnum 338 Remington Ultra Magnum; 338-378 Weatherby Magnum.348″ Diameter. Again just my opinion, but the 338 and 358 are two of the same and are both sub 400 yard hunting rigs respectfully utilizing heavier bullets at or slightly above 30-06 power levels. All are spitzer bullets with pointed noses. I bought a Ruger Hawkeye about two years ago in 338 Federal. This is supposed to drive a 200 grain bullet at a MV of 2725 fps. Which one of these popular rounds will be named the … Advertising hype aside, the .338 Federal is potentially a well-balanced and effective hunting cartridge. Battle of the Black Bear Cartridges: .308 Win. Mag. Quite obviously, the .338 Federal is not going to be as readily available or affordable as the .308 Winchester—the latter’s military origins coupled with the benefits of being .30-caliber guarantee popularity—but for a big-game hunter who wants something a bit different, the .338 Federal can handle a rather wide number of scenarios. Here are the downrange velocity/energy figures for such a load using the 200 grain Speer Hot-Cor spitzer bullet (BC .448, SD .254) at a MV of 2425 fps (ME 2611 ft. From the outside it looks much like a typical jacketed soft point bullet. Even the light .45-70 loads are in the vicinity of the .358 recoil, while the heavy loads … The Speer 200 grain Hot-Cor bullet, for example, would suit my purposes. At 300 yards the 200-grain .338 Federal TBT and 180-grain .308 Win. IMHO. A hunter I ran across had flung 19 .338 rounds at an elk … Both rifles will be based on M14/M1A platform. The 338 Federal is a rifle cartridge that provides the energy of a 7mm Remington Magnum in a necked-up 308 Winchester case. As regular readers of Guns and Shooting Online know, for some time now I have been promoting a .338 wildcat cartridge based on the 7x57 Mauser case first proposed by Jack O'Connor. I would recommend the Remington or Winchester standard powerpoints or corlokts as well as whatever Federal is calling their "standard" load this year. That will be my elk load, and I hope to test it next month. Listed below are North American Roosevelt and Rocky Mountain elk loads for most of the reasonably popular rifle calibers. The cartridge is simply the .308 Winchester necked up to hold .338-inch bullets, and will fit perfectly in a short-action receiver. I too have purchased a 338 federal in a ruger hawkeye for a short mountain rifle. These comparisons are all with standard loads. Mag. This is one of the best known and most successful premium hunting bullets of all time. You simply can not get a factory load larger than 180 grains for a .308. These are the standard low pressure loads. at 100 yards, 669 lbs. Such a load would also offer less recoil and be noticeably more fun to shoot. That is also essential for the long term success of the cartridge. 9 1/2M, CCI 250 or Win. Most of the factory ammo in .338mag is going to be constructed with elk in mind. Factory .338 Winchester Magnum loads cannot compete with hand loads driven 200 and sometimes up to 300fps faster than their factory counterparts. We have asked for such a cartridge for many years, and now Federal has provided it. ALL Accurate 2015 Accurate 2230 Accurate 5744 Alliant Powder 2000-MR Alliant Powder AR-Comp Alliant Powder Reloder 10x Alliant Powder Reloder 15 Alliant Powder Reloder 7 Hodgdon Benchmark Hodgdon BL-C(2) Hodgdon CFE 223 Hodgdon H322 Hodgdon H335 Hodgdon H4198 Hodgdon H4895 Hodgdon Leverevolution Hodgdon Varget Improved Military Rifle IMR 3031 … In the table below is a comparison between the .338 Federal and the older .358 Winchester, another cartridge based on the .308 Winchester. The quick pro/con list I've generated is: Pro-Great terminal performance at close range (338 is kind of a magic number for elk) Most 338 fed bullets ar better in the wind than standard hunting weight 308 bullets (that's been my comparison cartridge) Mine is a Kimber Montana .338 Federal in stock form with a Leupold VX2 2-7x33 scope in Talley lightweight rings. Drops deer straight down and not alot of meat damage. All rights reserved. Federal took their new .338 in a different direction than the .338x57 O'Connor, choosing to maximize performance rather than control recoil. This 338 Federal has been in discussion between me and my buddy from Slidell to primarily shoot hogs. Many of the well constructed 210gr to 225gr bullets for the 338 are more than adequate for elk when the shot is placed correctly. Last edited by The_Derek; 08/05/08 . Here are some estimated recoil energy (in ft. . The 35 Whelen is a 30-06 case necked up to 35 caliber. My father in law has a 338 Win Mag and shoots the 210gr Partitions. Comparison. It is now up to us hunters to show our appreciation by purchasing .338 Federal rifles and ammunition. Right click on the image of the load data and use save as. In these respects, the newer .325WSM has an advantage for factory ammunition users wanting an Elk cartridge capable of delivering the fastest possible killing out to moderate ranges. This concept appealed mightily to me, and I have done what I can to promote it. I too have purchased a 338 federal in a ruger hawkeye for a short mountain rifle. If I were reloading the .338 Federal, probably the first thing I would do is to develop a reduced power handload that duplicates the ballistics suggested by Jack O'Connor many years ago. It is a natural, not only for the myriad of short action bolt guns, but also for modern single shot, lever, pump, and autoloading hunting rifles. Let's take a closer look at the three Federal Premium factory loads, starting with the bullets. Nosler loads a 140 grain accubond and a 140 grain e-tip Federal loads a 140 grain trophy bonded tip, a 140 grain partition and a 140 grain trophy copper Doubletap loads a 160 accubond, a 140 Barnes TTSX and if you call them, they'll probably make you a 150 accubond LR Hornady makes a 139 grain GMX superformance At Federal®, we not only build the industry's widest variety of ammunition, we offer the leading products for every facet of the shooting sports. I've seen over 100 elk (25 personally) elk killed with cartridges ranging from 22-250 to 340 Roy and dozen in between. No chance at a bear last year but devasting on a whitetail at about 120 yards. It is a big game caliber designed with reasonable recoil for today’s lightweight rifles. Like the .338-06, it’s a reloader’s dream: beaucoup bullet options, and .308 Win. Re: 338 Federal I've been doing research on this for a few months too. I am convinced that heavy recoil, more than any other factor, is what has limited the popularity of all the previous standard medium bore cartridges, including the .33 Winchester, .348 Winchester, .35 Winchester, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, and .35 Whelen. It is a big game caliber designed with reasonable recoil for today’s lightweight rifles. Post subject: Best bullet weight for big hogs/elk in 338 Federal? 308 Winchester will do just about everything 30-06 will, but with a lighter gun and more gun options. The .338 Federal should be particularly attractive to reloaders, who can tailor loads to their specific needs. At 300 yards the 200-grain .338 Federal TBT and 180-grain .308 Win. Mag.". Now personally, I prefer the .338-06 just because I have more space to work with powder loads. I hope that the U.S. arms makers will soon start offering rifles in .338 Federal. If you were shooting at 500+ yards, the .308 would have some advantages in ballistics as the .338 is really slowing down by then and the .308 is still going decent. 348 Winchester.358″ Diameter ... *Disclaimer: The load data contained on this site is intended for use with Barnes Bullets. Mag. A light weight 338-06 (or 308, 7-08, 30-06, 280, 270, etc) would be about as good as it gets, IMO. And despite the .338 RCM's impressive numbers, the .338 Federal is no slouch. But expansion positively stops at the internal jacket partition, which retains the rear core for deep penetration. Whatever is most accurate for reasonable price is your best bet. I have settle for the 338 Federal cartridge because I think this could be the best option for this built. at … vs. .338 Federal vs. .45-70 Govt. I believe that such a factory load could be one of the keys to the long term success of the .338 Federal Cartridge. Just ask the Kudu in my avatar, or the Kodiak Brown Bear in my pictures, or the blue wildebeest, black wildebeest, springbok, jackel, and numerous black tail deer that have all fallen DRT. This case has the considerable advantage of having been designed to work in short action rifles. WLRM will do just fine. The price to be paid for higher performance is, of course, increased recoil. Re: 338 Federal - 160 gr vs 210 gr [ Re: The_Big_D ] #2352925 08/05/08 A light weight 338-06 (or 308, 7-08, 30-06, 280, 270, etc) would be about as good as it gets, IMO. All that said, in a short action, light weight, <300 yard hunting rifle, shooting 210g bullets at 2450 fps, the 338 Federal really shines and it hits like a hammer, in my opinion. If you believe, as many do, that 1,500 foot-pounds is more than sufficient, you’ve got the horsepower needed clear out to 700 yards. That much power ought to satisfy any rational hunter. It opens reliably against light resistance, creating a wide wound channel. In this caliber and weight the AccuBond is primarily intended for CXP2 game. He is buying the reamer, and I do the dirty job of cranking out the barrels. The .338 Federal was created by the engineering and ballistics staff at Federal in collaboration with Sako rifles. Because of its superior SD and proven performance, this is the bullet that I would choose specifically for hunting elk and other CXP3 game, or any sort of dangerous game, with the .338 Federal. maximum theoretically sustainable by the average person. Built on the .308 case and “necked-up” to hold a .338-diameter bullet, the load offers hunters a faster muzzle velocity than traditional favorites like the .308 Win., with a heavier bullet to boot. At Federal®, we not only build the industry's widest variety of ammunition, we offer the leading products for every facet of the shooting sports. O'Connor's proposal was for a medium bore brush/woods cartridge of moderate recoil that would appeal to the average deer (and possibly elk) hunter. The 338 Federal is a rifle cartridge that provides the energy of a 7mm Remington Magnum in a necked-up 308 Winchester case. (You can read it here: http://www.chuckhawks.com/338_OConnor.htm). It is my hope that the new .338 Federal can escape the same fate. 9 1/2M, CCI 250 or Win. of energy at that distance. It would also be more affordable to the deer hunter who is not a reloader. I'm going to build myself a light rifle with a short barrel (16") for moose hunting. That leaves magnums. Federal’s 200-grain Fusion loading is an excellent all-purpose load. Mag. at 200 yards, 478 lbs. at muzzle, 842 lbs. Like the .338-06, it’s a reloader’s dream: beaucoup bullet options, and .308 Win. The thing that most will not agree on is my pet load is a 200 gr. Recoil is stout due to the light gun but the Montana stock with excellent recoil pad tames it down, The reload that shoots best is Barnes 160 gr TTSX over IMR 8208 powder in my rifle. Finally, the majority of.358 Winchester factory loads shoot bullets in the 180-225 grain range. (Initially, Sako is providing the rifles.) Remington opted for the high power .338 RUM. TBT loads are within 0.3 inch of drop with 200-yard zeroes. The .338 Federal, however, boasts an additional 100 ft.-lbs. TBT loads are within 0.3 inch of drop with 200-yard zeroes. Remington opted for the high power .338 RUM. Remember that no matter what the ammo, shot placement is and should always be priority number one when hunting any animal; therefore knowledge of the vitals paired with practice is key for success. In a lightweight rifle, the recoil will be considerably greater, and probably quite unpleasant to the vast majority of shooters. The .338 Federal, however, boasts an additional 100 ft.-lbs. Most of the factory ammo in .338mag is going to be constructed with elk in mind. With hotter loads for modern high strength rifles, the .45-70 will push a 350 grain bullet at 2100 fps, providing 36.4 foot-pounds of recoil from an 8 pound rifle. I feel that those who do will be pleased with the new caliber. The .338 Federal is the first rifle cartridge to bear the Federal name on its headstamp, so it is an important step for the Company. with a 160-grain bullet. I am planning to load the 250 grain Berger elite hunter in a 338 win mag for an elk hunt next year. The small hollow point in the streamlined nose of the bullet initiates expansion, which is accomplished by folding back the nose of the bullet in four copper "petals." I realize that the 338x284 has more powder capacity than the 338 federal. Whatever is most accurate for reasonable price is your best bet. In fact, both the 180- and the 185-grain .338 Federal offerings generate more velocity than the standard 180-grain .30-06 loading. Drop and drift are equally impressive. Load development work in the Nosler lab showed it to be a very accurate and well mannered cartridge. While the .338 Federal generates less recoil than the magnum medium bore cartridges, it is still in excess of the theoretical 20 pound limit and very similar to the existing .338-06 A-Square in rifles of average weight. One of the worst cases of losing a game animal I ever saw happened in New Mexico in 1977. It’s that easy. At the target velocity a conventional soft point bullet will offer all the penetration I'll ever need, and probably kill quicker and shoot more accurately than a premium bullet. For comparison, the 180-grain .338 Federal load is about 200 fps faster than a standard 180-grain .308 Winchester load. T/C, Kimber, Ruger, and Steyr/Manlicher have already said that they will offer rifles in .338 Federal. ): Here are the trajectory figures for that load: What we have is a 200 yard elk cartridge and a 300 yard caribou cartridge in terms of optimum game weight killing power. If you subscribe to the theory that an elk requires at least 2,000 foot-pounds of punch for a clean kill, the 338 Win. The Nosler Partition is the original dual core bullet design. For deer and black bear it is limited by its trajectory, not its killing power. L-R are 30-06 Sprnfld., 308 Win., 243 Win., 260 Rem., 7mm-08 Rem. The 338 Federal (far right) is a member of the 308 Winchester family of short-action cartridges shown beside the long-action 30-06 for reference. not sure if anyone has used this on elk or not and what their results were. Note: Articles covering the .338 Federal in detail as well as comparing it to other cartridges can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. In fact, both the 180- and the 185-grain .338 Federal offerings generate more velocity than the standard 180-grain .30-06 loading. .340 Weatherby Magnum. 338 Bullets found in: Nosler Ballistic SilverTip Hunting Bullets .338 cal .338" 200 gr SBT-BSTIP 50/ct, Barnes Tipped M/LE TAC-TX Rifle Bullets .338 cal .338" 265 gr TACTXBT 50/ct, Barnes TSX Bullets .338 Lapua .338".. Yes, it does recoil heavy and doesn't treat you nice when sighting in and working up loads in the 250 to 270 grain range. Like its older, larger brother, the .358 Winchester, the .338 Federal has trouble handling the heaviest bullets within the caliber, but with bullets weighing between 185 and 225 grains, it can be a very effective choice. The round delivers devastating performance on game, including deer, bear and elk and we're proud to put our name on it.". Battle of the Black Bear Cartridges: .308 Win. A factory loaded cartridge is always more desirable than a wildcat. And despite the .338 RCM's impressive numbers, the .338 Federal is no slouch. But elk aren't the only critters you are likely to share turf with and maintaining top rung on the food chain is a serious consideration. A Federal 215, Rem. 185 grain Barnes Triple-Shock - 1068 lbs. I saw this ammo from Federal… The Barnes Triple-Shok is an improved all copper hollow point design with terminal performance like that of its famous predecessor, the Barnes X-Bullet. I fleshed-out Mr. O'Connor's proposal in my first article on the subject, "New Woods Cartridge: The .338x57 O'Connor." Although the .338-06 was not adopted by the big brands, this cartridge was nevertheless standardized and was to a limited extent a factory chambering. Three Premium load offerings became available from Federal in the spring of 2006: A fourth factory load, in the less expensive Fusion line, has been announced. It's a hammer. My favorite Moose Rifle the 338 Win 225gr Nosler Part or Accubond Reloader 19 @ 78.0 federal 215 GM primer WW cases 2900 + FPS in old Win 70 with 25" My load for 8 years this load is very close to the Alliant Reloader 19 powder website load also This would be primarily intended for hunting deer, feral hogs, black bear and similar size game in wooded or brushy country. 22-250 Remington Ackley Improved Load Data, 223 Win Super Short Magnum (WSSM) Load Data, 243 Win Super Short Magnum (WSSM) Load Data, 25 Winchester Super Short Magnum Load Data, 270 Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) Load Data, 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data, 7mm Shooting Times Westerner (STW) Load Data, 30-06 Springfield Ackley Improved Load Data, 300 Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data, 300 Holland & Holland (H&H) Magnum Load Data, 300 Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) Load Data, 325 Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) Load Data, 358 Shooting Times Alaskan (STA) Load Data, 375 Holland & Holland (H&H) Magnum Load Data, 45-70 Gov’t (Strong Actions Only) Load Data, 45 Colt (Single Action Army & Replicas) Load Data, 45 Colt (Ruger & T/C Contender & Encore) Load Data. Built on the .308 case and “necked-up” to hold a .338-diameter bullet, the load offers hunters a faster muzzle velocity than traditional favorites like the .308 Win., with a heavier bullet to boot. Now personally, I prefer the .338-06 just because I have more space to work with powder loads. The .338 Federal has 2 with the largest at 210 gr. Recoil is the problem that has plagued medium bore rifles since the invention of smokeless powder. This one still features a .338 bullet, … I've shot elk and deer with my .338/06. You can also click on the image and a pdf version will open in a new window. performance out to 400 yards, without the recoil of magnum rounds. Great whitetail load. First Look: The .338 Federal Rifle Cartridge, Federal's announcement that in the spring of 2006 they would release a new .338 caliber cartridge based on a necked-up .308 Winchester case was of great interest to me. I’ve clobbered a couple of nice bull elk with this load at 150 and 200 yards and I’m not even sure the bullet slowed down after breaking both shoulders each time. Of all those elk, I'd say 75% where shot inside of 200 yards. 338 Federal is 308 Winchester with a 338 bullet. I see this as Federal's .338 deer load. Open up the load data page you wish to download. I have a 338 win mag and it has taken a big Caribou Bull and numerous Elk with the Nosler Accubond 225 grain and 200 grain bullets. at muzzle, 848 lbs. One could always go to one of the more powerful factory loads when a flatter trajectory or more power were needed, and that shouldn't be very often. There is a small amount of powder that will burn up inside the … The rest inside 400+/-. 7WSM, 7RM, 300WSM, 300WM, 338WM, 300PRC, and the various flavors of Nosler, Wbys, TUMs, and RSAUMs are all viable elk and moose cartridges for longer shots. Which one of these popular rounds will be named the best all-around black bear hunting cartridge By Ron Spomer of the three .338 Federal factory loads based on the BigGameInfo ballistics calculator: And here is the trajectory of those loads fired from a rifle with a scope mounted 1.5" over bore and zeroed to take advantage of the +/- 3" maximum point blank range (MPBR) of each load: Optimum Game Weight (OGW) is a method of estimating the killing power of rifle cartridges developed by Edward A. Matunas. I have had to chase too many animals for too many miles that were shot with a 30-06 that didn't penetrate a shoulder. And its partitioned lead core allows the front section of the bullet to expand much like that of a typical soft point bullet, creating a wound cavity of considerable diameter. Certainly anyone can shoot more accurately with a rifle that kicks less. That caliber happens to be the .338 Winchester Magnum. Shoots very flat and consitant. I would recommend the Remington or Winchester standard powerpoints or corlokts as well as whatever Federal is calling their "standard" load this year. Although the .338-06 was not adopted by the big brands, this cartridge was nevertheless standardized and was to a limited extent a factory chambering. That 160gr TTSX is an absolute hammer in the .338 Federal. Before you decide on a 338 Federal you should really consider the 35 Whelen. There are a variety of good .338 bullets available, and I am sure that soon reloading data will be available from all of the usual sources. Here are their published ballistic coefficients (BC) and sectional densities (SD): The 180/.338 Nosler AccuBond is a boat-tail, plastic tipped bullet with a lead core bonded to a gilding metal (copper alloy) jacket. . Im going to use this bullet for a cow elk this fall, MV in my tikka 338 is about 3300fps with Varget. Its bonded core eliminates core/jacket separation, thus retaining more weight for deeper penetration than a similar Nosler Ballistic Tip bullet.
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